tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29091041.post3723391647070753869..comments2023-08-20T06:07:00.883-07:00Comments on Lysine Rich: I should maybe not be posting thisElizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03838351800414878044noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29091041.post-29312233672965430442008-11-05T19:41:00.000-08:002008-11-05T19:41:00.000-08:00@neen: I think we're in the same place re: bitter ...@neen: I think we're in the same place re: bitter disappointment. Although I'm rapidly moving through the stages of grief and have mostly come to the conclusion of "Okay. Hopefully, Obama will work against discriminatory policies like 'Don't ask, don't tell', and we can press for civil unions/domestic partnerships being treated as equivalent, and in a few years we can come back and fix it."<BR/><BR/>Your observation, however, is especially true of African Americans, 70% of whom voted for prop 8 across California (according to <A HREF="http://slog.thestranger.com/2008/11/black_homophobia" REL="nofollow"> The Stranger</A>.) That's in contrast to 53% of Latinos and 49% Whites or Asians. These numbers, I don't think, have little to do with religion (although major kudos to Episcopalians, agreed). And they were, at first, surprising to me. I think that it might have to do a little bit with defensiveness. In my personal experience, I am much less tolerant of others when I feel personally threatened (even if the threat to me and trait I am intolerant of are basically unrelated). Which is the best way I can find to explain why African American (and to a lesser extent Latino) voters would come out for prop 8. <BR/><BR/>But your larger point; which I take to be the fact that people aren't sorted clearly on party lines, is very well taken indeed. It's the old argument of red v. blue, "real" v. "fake" America, urban v. rural and liberal v. conservative. And in the end, I think we're all pretty much purple, in varying shades. And so just as you could find, four years ago, Homosexual Latino Republicans, (I think I saw a news story about them), this year "liberal" voters came out en masse for things like proposition 8.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03838351800414878044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29091041.post-64406610905441817692008-11-05T19:15:00.000-08:002008-11-05T19:15:00.000-08:00I wonder if this is going to start a discussion ab...I wonder if this is going to start a discussion about the types of people that fall on either side of the Prop 8 line. It is painfully ironic that tons of the African Americans and Hispanics who flocked to the polls specifically to vote for Obama also voted for Prop 8. As a culture, we tend to think of it as a republican vs. democrat, urban vs. rural, Evangelical vs. not debate, and yet we found out yesterday (well today), that there's also a substantial ethnic component at play. How's the gay community (and other Prop 8 opponent types) going to deal with that? How are the political parties going to deal with that?<BR/><BR/>And yes, I'm resorting to intellectual musing as a way to work through my bitter disappointment. (and kudos to Episcopalians: the Bishop of Northern California came out against Prop 8.)Neenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10669218258335429493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29091041.post-47802175325791779122008-11-05T14:54:00.000-08:002008-11-05T14:54:00.000-08:00Fuck Prop 8. Hard.Even God allows us the freedom ...Fuck Prop 8. Hard.<BR/><BR/>Even God allows us the freedom to choose Him. The government has a responsibility to respect that same freedom, insofar as it does not disrupt the choices of others.<BR/><BR/>I'm a devoted Catholic, and my faith means worlds to me - I may be a <I>bad</I> Catholic, but dammit, I want to marry a lady if I see fit. And as consenting adults, the government can't deny us that.Girl Noirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17311151557884863453noreply@blogger.com